Военна авиация ⇒ Загадки и питанки (Военна авиация)

[pnp5q]

А така?

[Archer]

[Bruchpilot]

YP-60E?

[pnp5q]

Това, което пуснах, се казва Curtiss-Goupil Duck. И е построено от Curtiss напук на някакви патентни претенции на братя Райт през 1917 г. по концепт на Goupil от 1883 г.

[Bruchpilot]

Браво! Нямаше да се сетя, бях тръгнал съвсем в друга посока.

[pnp5q]

Мерси. А там, в другата посока, може би има също интересна загадка?

[Archer]

YP-60E?

-> yes

[Bruchpilot]

Второто, с този колесник и отворен капотаж - Авро 504?
Първото Дъглас Б-43?

[Bruchpilot]

Мерси. А там, в другата посока, може би има също интересна загадка?

Ами, бях се забил в разни ранни френски изчадия

[Archer]

Bruchpilot , 2x Да



И

[Bruchpilot]

Тези са лесни
Либелула и Savoia-Marchetti S.55?

[Almasy]

Айде нещо гражданско все пак (което би трябвало и да е много по-лесно, защото са много по-малко от военните прототипи и серийни машини)

[Bruchpilot]

Не е толкова лесно, в първия момент доста се заблудих!
Мартин 202?

[Archer]

Convair 580

Иначе

[Almasy]

Мартин 202?

С центъра обирате златните медали.

[Bruchpilot]

Convair 580

Иначе
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По стечение на обстоятелствата буквално миналата седмица ги разглеждах
Britten-Norman Trislander и Bratu 220?

[Archer]

дам

[Archer]

[Thorn]

Qu'est-ce que c'est?

[Sharana]

Туй беше "българския" летящ трактор на Ле Бурже тази година. Подвесения контейнер го направи твърде запомнящ се

[Thorn]

Аз това го знам. Четох си постинга на bmpd.

Само, че понеже форумът е български, се надявах някой да има малко повече информация. Що за фирма е това, какви са перспективите и т. н.

И какво е българското в целия самолет?

[Sharana]

И какво е българското в целия самолет?

Фирмата сглобяваща частите доколкото си спомням. Затова и "български" написах в кавички, не че съм търсил особено, но и нищо не ми е попадало за него или за фирмата. Сега пак ще погледна.

[Sharana]

Само, че понеже форумът е български, се надявах някой да има малко повече информация. Що за фирма е това, какви са перспективите и т. н.

Брех, че интересно се получи, само дето не особено свързано с България...

Сайта на фирмата и продукта:
http://lasaeng.eu/products-t_bird

Самолета е американски - 510G на Thrush Aviation, струва около 1 милион долара. Модификациите като бронирано стъкло, броня от кевлар около кокпита, модификация на резервоарите, сензорите, даталинковете и интеграцията оръжията струват още 3 милиона или крайна цена на самолета около 4 милиона долара.
https://www.thrushaircraft.com/en/aircraft/510g

Сензорите ги слага австрийската на Airborne Technologies, кой знае какви са. Оръжията "съветски", защото са популярни в този ценови сегмент, а се и правят в България/Украйна, но могат да се използват и западни.

Най-интересна обаче е историята на фирмата, свързана с ... Erik Prince, основателя на ЧВК Blackwater.

See, if any of the previous details sound familiar, it’s because they should. LASA’s aircraft is almost the exact same configuration as one Airborne Technologies had put together for an “unnamed client” in 2014. That individual turned out to be Erik Prince, a former U.S. Navy SEAL who had gone on to found Blackwater, a private military company that ultimately shut down, with various divisions ending up rebranded or taking on new lives of their own, after a series of controversial incidents and lawsuits. In April 2016, The Intercept published a detailed expose on the entire Thrush affair.

Още една статия:
Inside Erik Prince’s Treacherous Drive to Build a Private Air Force
https://theintercept.com/2016/04/11/bla ... air-force/

One of the Thrush 510G being modified at Airborne Technologies’ hangar in Wiener Neustadt, Austria. Prince owns at least 25 percent of the company.

Това е същия американски самолет и същата австрийска фирма (поне 25% от която притежава въпросния човек). Интересното е нататък.

The conversion of crop dusters into light attack aircraft had long been part of Prince’s vision for defeating terrorists and insurgencies in Africa and the Middle East. In Prince’s view, these single-engine fixed-wing planes, retrofitted for war zones, would revolutionize the way small wars were fought. They would also turn a substantial profit. The Thrush in Airborne’s hangar, one of two crop dusters he intended to weaponize, was Prince’s initial step in achieving what one colleague called his “obsession” with building his own private air force.

Какво общо има всичко това с България? Ами:

According to various sources and leaked documents, Prince reportedly intended to deliver a fleet of the aircraft to the South Sudanese government in violation of American and other foreign regulations surrounding the transfer of military equipment and training services. After it became clear Austria’s defense export rules would halt his plans, he moved the operation to Bulgaria. There an associate, Zachary Botchev, founded LASA, which stands for Light Armed Surveillance Aircraft, using what appeared to be a bogus address. The company now has an additional facility at Kazanlak Airfield, a grass strip in the center of the country that mainly serves actual crop dusters working in the country's famous Rose Valley, among other areas.

This was not a new challenge for Prince. Through his former Blackwater enterprise, he had acquired extensive experience defying or sidestepping U.S. defense export regulations. In an effort to avoid Austrian and European export laws, Prince looked south to Bulgaria, a nation known for its lax defense export regulations and role as a hub for international arms traffickers. “It’s very difficult to manufacture [such aircraft] in Austria and keep everything quiet,” said a former Airborne employee who worked on the plane. “It’s too risky for them. So the idea was to go to Bulgaria.”

Frontier Services Group (FSG), an separate “aviation and logistics” company Prince had also founded with the Chinese state-operated investment firm Citic Group in 2014, subsequently registered the first modified plane in San Marino. The small European city state rescinded the registration, T7-SAW, after pictures emerged online showing a military-style aircraft that did not match the civilian description in FSG’s application. As of April 2016, this aircraft was reportedly grounded at an unspecified location in East Africa. Airborne Technologies had moved a second aircraft, almost certainly the one that has now appeared at Le Bourget, to LASA’s facilities in Bulgaria.
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By 2016, Prince was reportedly the subject of numerous U.S. government investigations into his attempts to offer mercenary services to foreign governments, money laundering, and possibly links to Chinese.
http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/11 ... s-air-show

Нищо чудно, че не бяхме чували са тази българска компания За перспективите пък както става ясно много зависи, но ако стане цялата схема само ще им закачат оръжията в Казанлък, място вече си имат. Няма да се сглобява в България, показания на Ле Бурже е просто един от двата самолета сглобени в Австрия, но пребоядисан.

In May 2014, Kristof Nagl, Airborne’s chief financial officer, wrote to Prince explicitly discussing the creation of a front company in Bulgaria to disguise the production of weapons-readied aircraft. Nagl cited earlier discussions with Prince and Dorian Barak and confirmed for Prince that they were moving forward with “the foundation of” a Bulgarian company named LASA Engineering Ltd. “LASA shall mean light armed surveillance aircraft,” Nagl wrote. In the memo, Nagl described a structure for LASA in which Prince “provides customers and know how.” Airborne, according to Nagl, would acquire Thrush aircraft and do the reconnaissance and surveillance modifications. LASA, however, would “be used for marketing” and “selling of light armed airborne solutions,” though its promotional materials would not directly mention the word Thrush. This omission, Nagl wrote Prince, would be done “according to your wish.”

Under the proposed arrangement, LASA would purchase the Thrush aircraft modified by Airborne directly from the company at its standard price “so all margin will stay as always with” Airborne. The transformation of the planes to light attack aircraft would be laundered in Sofia. LASA would get the necessary export licenses from the Bulgarian government so that the planes could be sold or deployed abroad.
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He also proposed that the partners involved in the deal put up a percentage of the cost of creating LASA, which “will not need any significant investment.”

According to the former Airborne employee and a second company whistleblower, almost all of the modifications would actually be performed in Austria. By the time the aircraft reached Bulgaria, an engineer could complete a simple installation of hardware. “The final installation of the weapons would be done in Bulgaria,” said the former employee.
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Airborne’s employees, who had worked on sensitive projects for various governments, were led to believe they were engaged in a secret but legitimate contract.

[Thorn]

Благодаря, беше интересно.

[Archer]

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